« Michael Kidd: Baruch Dayan Ha-Emet | Main | Silent Nightmare of Iranian Jews »
December 26, 2007
Girls' Night out
Here's a business model I did not see coming.
Listen, the motion picture business is in such turmoil, this revolutionary idea might actually work. I hope it does.
Imagine a Hollywood premiere with all the glitz: red carpet, beautiful cast, photographers’ flashing lights, exhilarating buzz. Now, picture that same event with just one difference — only women may attend.
To read the complete story, please click here—even if you are, um, male.
Hat Tip: Seraphic Friends: Kishke, Toronto Pearl
Posted by Robert J. Avrech at December 26, 2007 02:00 PM
Comments
Seraphic Secret is private property, that's right, it's an extension of our home, and as such, Karen and I have instituted two Seraphic Rules and we ask commentors to act respectfully.
1. No profanity.2. No Israel bashing. We debate, we discuss, we are respectful. You know what Israel bashing is. The world is full of it. Seraphic Secret is one of the few places in the world that will not tolerate this form of anti-Semitism. That's it. Break either of these rules and you will be banned.
I think it's a great thing!
Posted by: Alice at December 26, 2007 02:33 PM
" ... this revolutionary idea might actually work..."
Interesting.
But in order for it to be 'for real', the photographers, and production crew have to be all-female too
how practical/do-able is that?
This has been an issue for a while at Orthodox weddings with separate dancing, but still with frum male photographers ??
Until some groups have insisted on separate gender photographers for the separate dancing
Could be a nice niche part-time job for women interested in digital video)
Maybe Karen will have to start writing the film reviews.
Posted by: exdemexlib at December 26, 2007 02:47 PM
No, the crew doesn't have to be all male. Technically, the crew gets the "professional duties" dispensation, which assumes that a craftsman who is executing his professional skills will be focused on his work and not the women qua women. That's why many orthodox Jewish women go to male doctors. Obviously, the degree of professionalism and focus in the case of doctors may not apply to a film crew or a lifeguard, and some women would not be comfortable relying on the dispensation, but at least in theory it does apply.
Posted by: Barzilai at December 26, 2007 03:09 PM
" ... That's why many orthodox Jewish women go to male doctors. Obviously, the degree of professionalism and focus in the case of doctors may not apply to a film crew or a lifeguard, and some women would not be comfortable relying on the dispensation, but at least in theory it does apply. ..."
in theory, maybe
in Halacha, probably not
am not a Rav,
and do not mean the following as a 'Psak'
but am under the impression that the /medical needs/or /'clear and potential danger' situations/ of a woman,
supercede the Tznius issues,
and even then, not always
i personally knew a frum, excellent, Ob Gyn resident, who finished with honors, and wanted to open a practice in a large Yeshiva community in the USA, and the Rav/Rosh Yeshiva said that he 'liked' him, was happy with his professionalism and credentials, and dedication, but was forbidding all women in the community to go to him, until he got married
(the woman he was serious with during the last part of his residency, appreciated this little 'urgent motivational ruling' and they were married soon afterwards, and he is well appreciated in the community)
i 'suspect' that it would be difficult to get a lenient Halachic opinion for a production crew,
but have been surprised before.
Robert, Karen,
do you have a consultant Rav for this blog ?
;-)
Posted by: exdemexlib at December 26, 2007 03:58 PM
Alice:
I'm with you.
Posted by: Robert J. Avrech
at December 26, 2007 04:18 PM
Barzilai:
Thanks so much for pointing out the halachic issues of "professional duties." This is something I've dealt with regularly in my career.
Posted by: Robert J. Avrech
at December 26, 2007 04:27 PM
Exdem:
Do we have a Rav we consult about this blog?
Yes: Rav Common Sense.
Posted by: Robert J. Avrech
at December 26, 2007 04:32 PM
It looks like the demand for frum women-only audiences/performances are growing. There is an Israeli professional theatre organization called "Rotza Lihiot Kochav" or "Wanna Be a Star" http://www.mypwt.net/who_we_are.htm
Posted by: Rachel at December 26, 2007 04:55 PM
"Rav Common Sense"...
Love that! Wish he were consulted more often.
Posted by: mata hari at December 26, 2007 05:26 PM
I've met "Rav Sechel" -- he is Rav Common Sense's older and wiser brother.
As for that movie premiere... I guess no cleavage showing, thigh-high slits, or off-the-shoulder evening gowns will adorn the red carpet that evening.
Posted by: Pearl at December 26, 2007 06:06 PM
Anything that portrays Jewish women in a positive light is a good thing.
Posted by: superraizy at December 26, 2007 06:35 PM
I don’t think this blog, as wonderful as it is, is the appropriate place for a formal discussion of the minutiae of Jewish law. That’s more the type of thing you would find on Hirhurim or on my blog. But in brief, the Igros Moshe YD III 54 and EH IV 62, who says that there is no problem when the person is a professional who is used to this activity and is focused on his work, has been relied on in many places for high school productions that involve a professional sound and light crew, despite the girls’ singing and dancing.
Posted by: Barzilai at December 26, 2007 07:14 PM
FYI, and a little after the fact, but good to know for next year, there is already an all female community theater group in Los Angeles. They just presented their third annual musical one month ago, "Guys and Dolls." Their website is Jewishwomenstheater.com. It was extremely professionally done and very entertaining.
Posted by: Karen Avrech at December 26, 2007 08:51 PM
I don’t think this blog, as wonderful as it is, is the appropriate place for a formal discussion of the minutiae of Jewish law.
It is always incumbent upon a person to determine if they accept the information that is being provided to them. Discussions of Halachic matters are no different.
If you do not trust what you read/hear you can always go to your rav and ask for his advice.
Posted by: Jack at December 27, 2007 09:02 AM
"I don’t think this blog, as wonderful as it is, is the appropriate place for a formal discussion of the minutiae of Jewish law".
I actually found the conversation very interesting.
Posted by: cruisin-mom at December 27, 2007 10:05 AM
Well, I think it would be wonderful if female photographers, lighting and sound techs could be used. Not because there isn't a "kosher" way for men to do the same jobs, but because I would love to see expanded opportunities for frum women to work in "safe" environments. I wonder if increased opportunities to do non-traditional things (within the confines of halacha, of course) would help stem the "going-off-the-derech" problem.
Posted by: Fern R at December 27, 2007 12:26 PM
Fern, my wife is in this business in a small way, and it's very difficult to find female sound and lighting crews. It's almost all men, both in the frum and secular worlds. Most schools et al. doing performances rely on the heter.
Posted by: kishke at December 27, 2007 04:43 PM
