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February 19, 2009

10,000 Violent Women and One Screenwriter, Part V

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Virginia Lee Corbin as a wild young flapper in “Lilies of the Streets,” 1925.

EXT. PRISON - DAY

The Screenwriter, alternately known to the inmates as Mr. Hollywood, Mr. Screenplay Writer and Mr. Clueless, sits with Eden, an attractive prisoner who is: mother to three children, an admirer of Jane Austen, and a fine dog trainer. She also committed murder and has agreed to talk about it. One long take. Think Gregg Toland deep focus photography meets Anthony Mann’s elegant choreography within frame.

“The thing y’gotta know is I’m not the same person I was back when I did what I did. But I still take full responsibility for, uh, what happened.”

In prison I keep hearing three tedious words:

It. Just. Happened.

To read the entire story, please head on over to Big Hollywood.

Posted by Robert J. Avrech at February 19, 2009 08:54 AM

Comments

Seraphic Secret is private property, that's right, it's an extension of our home, and as such, Karen and I have instituted two Seraphic Rules and we ask commentors to act respectfully.

1. No profanity.

2. No Israel bashing. We debate, we discuss, we are respectful. You know what Israel bashing is. The world is full of it. Seraphic Secret is one of the few places in the world that will not tolerate this form of anti-Semitism.

That's it. Break either of these rules and you will be banned.

Great series, great movie.

I love reading the comments to your articles in Big Hollywood. For the most part, it's quite a different set of readers to the ones here, and the contrast makes for interesting reading. (of course, some post here as well, so I know in advance their comments will be great!)

Posted by: Katherine at February 19, 2009 03:03 PM

I have been watching a series on MSNBC about life inside of prisons. They cover a wide gamut of prisons, the regular, for teens, for women, for the most dangerous. One thing that one of them said made me take notice. Now I am not making excuses for him but he said that he had been in jail for a few years and then when he got out he did not realize that the behavior outside has to be a little different, that is if someone threatens you outside they might be just joking or whatever, yet this fellow killed someone and now has the rest of his life in jail. Seems to me as long as they are in prison some preparation for the different life outside would be helpful, again, he could be a liar also so I am not necessarily buying his tale.

Posted by: Adam Weinberg at February 19, 2009 05:40 PM

It has been interesting to read Robert's account of his research and compare it to the movie. He has politely reminded me twice that because of confidentialty agreements he can't say how it exactly translates to the movie but nevertheless it is interesting to see how the screenplay "incubated".

As far as pure evil I differentate it from someone trying to shoplift - I think to transcend to pure evil one must do physical violence and not have any pang of conscience about it.

Or how about the Nazi bureaucrat (like Adolph Eichmann) who pushed papers sending 100s of thousands to their death, then goes home to his wife and children.

I can think of any number of murder cases where the defendant killed without any regret after planning it.

I am differentiating simple crime to evil - can't describe an exact line delineating the 2 but they are separate in my opinion. One has to invite Evil in.

Posted by: Bill Brandt at February 19, 2009 07:40 PM

Adam - the question you pose has been debated for generations. I can tell you (having somewhat of a "confidentiality agreement of my own) that I am involved in a trust involving some men who have been involved in relatively petty crime - small drug sales, driving without a license, drunken driving, etc) and having visited some of them in jail over the years - seeing the revolving door that most inmates go into jail - and out - and back in - I will simply say that it has been an eye-opener for those of us involved.

It is a different world from the world most of us know.

When you are told something you have to consider the truthfulness of the statement and the "angle" - I have said to those familiar with our situation that any politician should go into some jails and prisons - talk with guards and wardens - before setting social policy.

Does this mean that every prisoner is forever doomed to be a criminal? No. But it is a different world - and a world with which few on the "outside" are even aware of.

Posted by: Bill Brandt at February 19, 2009 07:56 PM

I'm looking forward to reading it. Maybe you could notify me when you post them, so I won't miss any.
Shabbat Shalom

ps l'havdil, you should meet the young innocent Israeli girls who were thrown into prison by ARik Sharon for protesting Disengagement.

Posted by: Batya at February 20, 2009 02:21 AM

Katherine:

Interesting for me too. Big Hollywood's readers are, for the most part, a new audience and I'm still finding my voice with them.

Posted by: Robert J. Avrech [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 20, 2009 09:55 AM

Adam:

Believe me, prisoners are acutely aware of the difference between prison and freedom. They all know that prison life is a whole other universe.

Posted by: Robert J. Avrech [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 20, 2009 09:58 AM

Bill:

Certainly evil exists and recognizing it is paramount for any functional society. Thus, those who forge checks do not get the same punishment as those who commit violent crimes.

Posted by: Robert J. Avrech [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 20, 2009 10:01 AM

Batya:

Next trip to Israel Karen and I hope to meet some of these amazing women: political prisoners.

Posted by: Robert J. Avrech [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 20, 2009 10:04 AM

The series has been enthralling to read. It is hard to wrap my mind around the disconnect between evil and the connection the prisoners have with the dogs they train. This is one reason why I agree with your statement about evil in the comments at Big Hollywood.

Posted by: INC at February 20, 2009 10:15 AM

INC:

C.O. Cindy said to me: “It's the unconditional love.”

Meaning the dogs loved their trainers no matter what.

Well, of course it's not love. It's loyalty to those who feed and care for them. I don't believe in attributing human emotions to animals, but in essence, Cindy was right.

Glad you like the series. Two more chapters to go.

Posted by: Robert J. Avrech [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 20, 2009 10:42 AM

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