“Okay wives, say clitoridectomy!”
Regarding gay marriage, really a redefinition of marriage: the ideological lines in American religious communities are pretty much what you would expect. Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly opposed, Conservative (not a political designation) and Reform Jews are mostly in favor. Seraphic Secret is not as familiar with the multiple and varied Christian communities but we assume the same dividing lines exist with the more liberal churches in favor and the more traditional churches opposed.
But we have not heard much from the usually outspoken American Muslim community. One would assume that pious Muslims would be quite vocal in their opposition for traditional Islam has a clear stance against homosexuality.
But this is not the case. In fact, I’ve seen several articles that set forth two lines of argument in favor of gay marriage:
1. Muslims should support gay marriage because the impulse against gay marriage is the same bigotry that forms Islamophobia.
2. Those who oppose gay marriage are members of the right wing, who are, by nature, Islamophobes. Thus Muslims should support American progressives.
Never mind that the only genuine Islamophobia that exists in the world is between Sunni and Shia, who regularly slaughter one another with a medieval blood lust. In America, Islamophobia is a political fantasy used by Muslims to designate themselves victims, thereby gaining social and political advantages. In fact, FBI statistics shows that crimes against Jews far outweigh crimes against Muslims.
The truth about Muslim silence and or support for gay marriage is quite simple: Once marriage between one man and one woman is nullified and same-sex marriage enters the legal lexicon, then sharia will find its way into America via polygamy.
If government sanctions marriage between same sex partners arguing that it’s a civil right then it will be impossible to legally hold that one man cannot marry two or three or eight women, a tradition which has legal and social precedent thousands of years old and which is still a norm in the Muslim world.
Traditionally, Islam has spread through wars of conquest. Convert or die. But in a postmodern era, in the sophisticated western world, Islam has craftily adapted to the cult of multiculturalism. The sword and beheadings are still the weapon of choice in the Middle East, but in America and Europe Islam extends its death grip through a wily combination of transnational terrorism, (never designated as Islamic terrorism by the chattering classes) intimidation—draw a cartoon of Mohammed and you die—plus an endless litany of grievances to thought crimes that do not exist.
And now the low-hanging fruit of gay marriage is within grasp. Sanctioning gay marriage will be the gateway drug for Islamic polygamy and from there it’s an open road to sharia in America which is slavery for the rest of us and the death of our democratic values.
Gay marriage sounds nice and tolerant, totally warm and fuzzy hugs, but this is first-stage thinking. This is where tolerance turns into cultural suicide. With any radical social change—and same sex marriage is as radical as it gets—responsible citizens must ask themselves: what will be the consequences of this change? What are the next stages for society?
Ironic Footnote: one of the first edicts of a sharia compliant America will be torture and death to homosexuals. Because that’s how sharia rolls.
A public hanging of homosexuals in Iran, a sharia dominated state.
Ariel Chaim Avrech, ZT'L, May His Righteous Memory be a Blessing.
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I couldn’t seem to find your article regarding Pat Condell’s video on Saudi Arabia, so I will post this here.
I sent Pat Condell’s video on “Saudi Arabia” and his follow-up “Can I Say This” to a friend who spent many years teaching English as a second language in SA. I thought you might find the response interesting. Kay
Hi Kay,
I’m not surprised Pat Condell caught some flak about his last video! The Saudi public is used to constant censorship. The paradigm is that, no, you don’t have a right to say whatever fool thing you can think of, but you do have a right never to see or hear anything that offends you. From that perspective, his remarks are completely outrageous.
I do think Condell’s premise is right. Young Saudi men have no access to women, so they go out with each other all the time. It’s quite common to see pairs of young Saudi guys going out to eat, strolling around holding hands, etc. They also hear too much propaganda about women being so inferior in so many ways: who wants to have a soul mate that is actually a lower form of life? If women are really only good for raising babies, of course a guy is going to have his real relationships with his male buddies. All of this presumably militates in favor of gay behavior. I do remember years ago hearing that the State Department wasn’t very good at spying on Arab countries because they had a chronic shortage of recruits who had gone to the trouble of becoming really fluent in Arabic who weren’t gay and therefore subject to blackmail.
Also, Dr. Joel Hoffman has a blog; “G-d Didn’t Say That” with an article, “Who says that being gay is a sin?” He wrote the book, “And G-d Said…”Dr. Hoffman’s father is Rabbi Laurance Hoffman in NYC who also has a blog.
Tried to post their URL to their blogs but my computer wants to shut down.
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I’ve always wanted gay marriage advocates to be asked if there should be any restrictions on who can be married. Polygamy okay? Siblings? Mother and son?
The truth is all societies draw the line somewhere and one man and one woman has been the line for a very long time. But now it’s not good enough?
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Well, exactly. Where does the line get drawn and by whom. Could be all of these things are tolerable. Polygamy seems the worst option. Or, is a mother son marriage feasible, but not a father daughter? There is madness in the air. Maybe filth too.
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Well, exactly. Where does the line get drawn and by whom. Could be all of these things are tolerable.
Well, I never thought I would say this, but to paraphrase Jon Stewart,
even the most pro-Life advocates can now agree on supporting Abortion, -for Gay Men to also exercise their right to free choice over their own bodies
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I’ve no problem with gay marriage but unintended consequences need to be examined. When society for generations, has definrd marriage between a man and a woman does the door open for polygamous and incestuous marriages. No judgment made or implied. But, a question. Where or when does openness close.
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But we have not heard much from the usually outspoken American Muslim community.
And chances are that we won’t, at least until after election.
Most pro-Sharia Muslims want Obama to get re-elected, and will do whatever they can to support it, as long as they don’t have to publicly take a stand that is anti-Sharia, anti-Muslim, or pro-Israel.
The liberal left already gives them free passes on slavery and massacres of African Blacks, and even on murder of a Black man at a gas station in Detroit a few months ago, while they were using the N word, and on attacks of Black students.
(No Sharpton, No Jackson, no MSM, and people wonder why liberals are accused of flip-flopping on principles.
Muslims already get free passes on major women’s rights atrocities.
No liberal left voice will even consider calling them on showing active support for gay marriage.
(The left is thankful simply for there not being any Muslim anti-gay violence in the US, that they might have to embarrassingly look the other way…)
Maybe the only thing that might get the liberal left to react, if Muslims would start bombing abortion clinics ….
(Extremely unlikely, as Sharia sanctions honor-killings, and doesn’t care how many infidels kill their unborn infidel children, as it’s better in the long run for Muslim demographics.)
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If I were gay, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t want a nice government register that gay bashers could consult to verify my status and look up my address.
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Antoine:
Did not think of that. But yes, another case of first-stage thinking. The Islamists will have a hit list all ready for their death squads.
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